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Dec. 15th, 2014 @ 10:05 pm December Days: Spirituality
When I was talking about prompts I used the word "spirituality", and simont asked what I meant by it, and I realised that what I really wanted was to spill the religion post onto another day.

Last post, I think I described what I didn't believe about religion. Basically, "anything supernatural".

However, I've recently been feeling that there's something I want to explore but I'm not quite sure what. Partly that I know more people who believe in God, but in total have beliefs really similar to mine, and I want to understand that. And partly that I've been thinking in terms of spiritual health, not in terms of a supernatural spirit, but in terms of "being aware of myself" and "giving up being scared of things I'm scared to try" and of "actually doing things I always felt I should do" and generally becoming healthier as a whole mind. And basically everything that is (I think) part of the mind, but in how the mind itself works or doesn't work, not in how it represents facts.

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From:cartesiandaemon
Date:December 16th, 2014 06:03 pm (UTC)
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*hugs* Thank you. It's something I'm definitely interested in, but cautious about talking about, because I know people I trust and love have had different experiences with the supernatural, and I value their opinion more, but find it harder to talk about the details without the risking showing disrespect for each other's experiences...
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Date:December 31st, 2014 06:22 pm (UTC)
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*hugs* As I say, I want to talk about this, but am scared of mangling my explanation and/or accidentally insulting people who've thought about it more than me.

I don't have a clear definition. I think of it as, a lot of stuff is physics (including things we don't fully understand yet, but we expect them to fit into physics); some stuff is build on top of physics (like brains, I think physics determines what brains do, but knowing about physics doesn't tell you everything you need to know about brains); and some stuff is contradictory to that (eg. ghosts, miracles-that-change-the-physical-world, magic spells that have a non-placebo effect, reincarnation and the afterlife, etc, which I call supernatural). And some stuff is not clear which category it goes in.

And I've not seen anything convincing me that there is anything in the "supernatural" category. But I know some people have seen things for which the supernatural is the only explanation, and yet I know there are so many ways the ways that people experience things that look indisputably supernatural but aren't, I don't want to either believe them automatically nor deny them automatically :( And I know many people have beliefs which are really effective, at supporting them, and at helping them do good, that if a belief in the supernatural is part of that, I don't want to question it any more than I want to doubt love or hope or compassion (even though I'm scared of assuming that it means the supernatural part is true in other circumstances when it might matter).

But I'm not at all sure I'm talking about the right things, what would you say?